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Congratulations by onure Congratulations by onure
For the other parts of this work, have a look at the "Congratulations Series" folder in my gallery…
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:icondevilturnip360:
devilturnip360 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I Agree
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks fella!
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:icondevilturnip360:
devilturnip360 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist Interface Designer
truth is truth
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
The system itself is fundamentally rotten.
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fantom125 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011
Erstens hast du generell recht, Journalisten neigen zur Denunziation. Zweitens hast du natürlich nicht recht, den "Journalisten" sind auch Individuen, und auch da gibt es solche und solche. Aber die geballte Masse "Kapitalistischer Medienarbeit" ist nur schwerlich zu übersehen.
Aber "Medienarbeit" hat in allen menschlichen Systemen so funktioniert, nur die Art der Medien hat sich gewandelt. Traurig, aber wahr: "Feinde des Systems" werden immer die "Inquisition des Systems" zu spüren bekommen, auch die Inquisition hat sich nur zu einer weniger blutigen gewandelt (und nennt sich nicht mehr so).
Das Problem ist doch, dass man zwar weiß, dass man was ändern sollte, aber nicht, wo damit anfangen. (Wahrscheinlich ist selbst Gott beim Grübeln über dieses Problem eingeschlafen ;-))
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onure Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Nun gut, es sollte klar sein, dass mit meiner Sorte Medienkritik die auflagenstärksten, die mächtigen Mainstream-Medien gemeint sind, die als die ausschlaggebenden Meinungsmacher unserer feucht-fröhlichen Republik fungieren und nicht irgendwelche Abweichler, deren Standpunkt eh nur für die interessant ist, die diese Ordnung ebensowenig bejahen.

Das Problem ist doch, dass man zwar weiß, dass man was ändern sollte, aber nicht, wo damit anfangen.
Meinst Du wirklich, dass man weiß, was man ändern sollte? Da wäre ich mir nicht so sicher. Wenn man sich die Kritik derer anschaut, die, um nur ein aktuelles Beispiel zu nennen, das Finanzkapital kritisiert haben in ihren auflagenstarken Publikationen oder die Menschen, die dann urplötzlich einen abgrundtiefen Hass auf Manager und Banker entwickelt haben, ist man doch sehr verwundert darüber wie verkehrt man den Kapitalismus kritisieren kann. Insofern teile ich nicht die Auffassung, dass das Problem, das zu beseitigen ist, glasklar für jedermann auf der Hand läge. Klar, ich schreibe so hochtrabend daher, als sei ich über alles im Klaren. Das ist nicht der Fall. Ich möchte nur deutlich machen, dass man sich mit politischer Ökonomie ernsthaft befassen müsste, um nicht an der Sache vorbei zu kritisieren und sich lächerlich zu machen, wie es bei vielen Linken der Fall ist. Vernünftige Systemkritik ist mit Fehlern nicht zu machen.

Ein Satz noch zum Individuum Journalist: Mag sein, dass Journalisten auch Individuen sind, bestreitet ja keiner, nur warum lassen sie sich so gnadenlos gleichschalten?
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fantom125 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011
Nein, "man" (ich?) weiß nicht was man ändern sollte, aber dass man "was" (=etwas) ändern sollte, meine wohl nicht nur ich. Warum geht es denn selbst in der Politikerkaste ständig um irgendwelche "Reformen". (Wobei ich jetzt keine Diskussion über diesen Begriff anstoßen will ;-)) Naja, irgendwie hab ich noch so einen Satz im Hinterkopf, weiß nicht mehr woher der stammt: "Ich weiß nicht, ob es besser wird, wenn es anders ist, aber ich weiß, dass es anders werden muss, wenn es besser werden soll."
Und warum sich so viele Journalisten gleichschalten lassen, das steht doch in deinen Congratulations!
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Hast auch nun wieder Recht, vergiss den letzten Satz in meinem letzten Kommentar. :)
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hitlerisdead Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
And yet... Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos are or were some of the most repressive and oppressive nations on the face of the planet.

I agree that laissez-faire capitalism is a horrible idea, but the idea that communism will "set us free" is possibly one of the most naive things I have ever heard. Humans are flawed, and communism expects them to...well, not be. It can never happen.

Ever.
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Who is talking about freedom?
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:iconhitlerisdead:
hitlerisdead Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2011
several people, actually.
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
But I do not and the text above deals with a completely different issue. If you want to debate about the content of the text, go ahead, but please do not bother me with that North Corea & Cuba blabla or some weird expressions such as "freedom". This text is a political one, not a philosophical.
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hitlerisdead Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2011
Exactly. Communism and freedom don't belong in the same sentence.
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
You guys are great, you are still talking about freedom! :headbang:
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:iconpragmatichominid:
PragmaticHominid Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
I've come back to read this like 3 times, and it's still amazing.
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for your comment.
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:iconcalis:
calis Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011
Du hast nicht zufällig diesen Artikel vorher gelesen? [link]
;)

Bin an sich aber ganz deiner Meinung. Und wenn jemand direkt vom Kommunismus redet, wird er entweder als Spinner abgestempelt oder aber gleich neben Stalin angesiedelt.
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Habe den Artikel jetzt gelesen. Lustig, dass der Verfasser auch die Inquisition als Vergleich für die Einstellung der hiesigen Medienlandschaft zu Andersdenkenden heranzieht. Offenbar vertreten mehrere Menschen in dieser Hinsicht einen ähnlichen Standpunkt wie ich. Danke für den Link.
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calis Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011
Ist mittlerweile auch recht offensichtlich. Also wenn man selbst halbwegs weiß, was Begriffe wie Systemkritik und Kommunismus bedeuten, dann muss man an eine Art Hexenjagd denken. Aber hieß ja schon früher "Ein Gespenst geht um in Europa". ;)
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Nein, den Artikel habe ich nicht vorher gelesen. Die Debatte um die Worte der Tante sind uninteressant. Von den Vorgarten-Kommunisten im Parlament ist eh nichts an Aufklärung und politischer Bildung zu erwarten, so es denn einen interessieren sollte zu erfahren, wie der Laden, der sich Marktwirtschaft nennt, geschmissen wird.
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calis Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011
Nun ja, die Linke geht einen schmalen Grad zwischen Protest und Konsens. Auf beiden Seiten kann sie vernichtend abstürzen...
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Toto-the-cat Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011
True words!
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xXxSp4rtyxXx Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Student General Artist
I love it! :headbang:
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:iconpragmatichominid:
PragmaticHominid Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
I love your work. This is truly amazing.
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UpWithFreedom Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011   Interface Designer
The government isn't suppose to help to businesses if it is Capitalist.
Thats why if they make bad debt, it the business fault, not the government.
But the government bail's out the banks every time they make a mistake.
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
"...But the government bail's out the banks every time they make a mistake..." That's why goverment is suppose to help to businesses if it is Capitalist, it has to take care that the financial business runs which supplies the "non-financial" business with debts and keep them alive. And by the way, your comment has nothing to do with the deviation, thanks anyway. :)
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UpWithFreedom Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011   Interface Designer
Nope, you are wrong. If a business is capitalist, then if they make a mistake. Its their ass not the peoples. Thats why people buy share inthestock market, so when they make a mistake its not just one person who loses it all.
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
:) Let me put it this way: There is a certain kind of "industry", states have to help if it starts going bad: the financial industry. Don't mix it up with the other kind of businesses you are talking about. But again: The deviation above deals with another issue.
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Golden-Sapfire Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
Well i definitely agree with you on this point , its easy to become a social periah in anything though . But you want to make your point of view made in US (like this would touch only the US point of view ?) or the whole world ?
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I guess unfortunately the whole world. I am from Germany. Everytime I read several pulications of several left-minded writers of this country, I am puking. They are writing as dumb trash as people from France, the UK, the USA or some intellectuals from the Near-East.
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Golden-Sapfire Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011
Mhm , i do know that the UK and France are kissing the US's ass , country's such as Belgium or the Netherlands try to be independent as possible , but these days they are failing miserably . But about Germany , don't know much . Im a Russian who lives in the hell hole called Lithuania of the 3 Baltic country's in a town near the sea . But i myself am just scared of where im living right now. They have rewritten the history of the 20th century . Its just i opened up a Lithuanian textbook and it basically slandered Russia and praised the EU for everything they ever did ?! Lithuanian's are actually demanding free GAS into their country from Russia because the SOVIET UNION as they say conquered them by saving them from the Nazi occupation ;D . Its just there are just so many lies here ? Seriously they say that life sucked in the soviet union , but i lived backed then for a bit , the 80's were golden there , my parent's say they have been to actual Russia during the soviet union , they lived like CRAP comparing to the baltic country's and those around them ! They were practically a 3rd world country ! But anyway this is long enough , why do you say that Germany spreads lies as well ... every country spreads lies i guess , but what did Germany do ?
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
:) There is a little misunderstanding in our conversation I guess. I don't say that Germany spreads lies and I do not know in how far history was rewritten by historians in the countries you've mentioned. That was not the topic of the deviation. I just tried to make clear that many left-minded writers in different parts of the world who achieve to get attention by a larger amount of people can not speak out their thoughts obviously. My deviation deals with the fact that countries who claim to have the freedom of speech do not act like they claim by making people look ridiculous as soon as they start to criticize the capitalist system and of course the monetary system and that everyone, even people who are suffering under this system, agree to states and corporate media who make left-minded people look ridiculous by calling them utopians, dreamers, loonetics, conspiracy theorists and things like that. And I've compared it to the dark age of inquisition where even the slightest appearance of deviation from the catholic doctrine was punished merciless.
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Nerdio222 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
just thought it was slightly ironic that you say that no one will criticize, but this does. (but i know what you mean)
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:icononure:
onure Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
But I don't have the guts to criticize obviously either. Just through red coloured letters.
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PengyPlatypusPiplup Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
because the best way to get a point across, is subliminaly ^^
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:iconkholdmalik:
KholdMalik Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
I admire ONE thing in capitalism: They managed to make people fear THE ONLY system that would FREE them.
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:iconkullervonsota:
Kullervonsota Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
And put bring them back in the same cage.
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KholdMalik Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011
Exactly.
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Kullervonsota Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope I wasn't taken out of context.
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KholdMalik Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011
Why so?
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HumanNature84 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
All system are flawed when run by people!
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Should systems run by aliens?
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HumanNature84 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
There are no perfect systems, only trade-offs. We can neither have socialism or capitalism without is going south!
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I am not talking about perfect systems. I am just talking about the current system we are living in. And this one is a big mess.
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HumanNature84 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Like I said, Its not the system, It's the people. People are all evil and corrupt, but the leaders of the system want us to focus on the system not the people RUNNING the system so we could switch it out.

No group of people on the planet past or future was ever able to make any system work. But there is one that would work but it will be rejected by the whole world!
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Just to say People are all evil and corrupt is too simple. Which people do you mean, what do you mean by evil and corrupt? What makes people act evil and corrupt? Maybe, you should be more precise in your argumentation.
The second thing: we can hear the People are all evil and corrupt stuff a thousand times day by day from sociologists, psychiatrist, religious and political leaders and lawyers. They say it because it is a great way for them to let the majority of human material know that they depend on states, laws, restrictions and of course on the monetary system.
The third thing: You have said: "...leaders of the system want us to focus on the system not the people RUNNING the system...". Exactly the opposite is the case. Have a look on democracy for example: Media focus us on this or that leader of this or that party to make us vote for them without giving precise and objective information about function of democracy and the relationship between democracy and capitalism. We are not focused on the system, we are focused on persons, on leaders, on parties and on their disputes.
The fourth thing: "...No group of people on the planet past or future was ever...". It is not sensible to care about the past because it already has happened, forget it. History is a perfect excuse for acting now as dumb as people used to act in the past. Nietzsche has a great writing about the function of history for our life, the title: "Vom Nutzen und Nachteil der Historie für das Leben". Care about now, our present time. And the future? I don't have a clue about the future, so it is useless to debate about it.
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HumanNature84 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I'm really not arguing with you man i'm just stating that any system created by man kind will be flawed.
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
:) No, it's ok to share ideas, that is not arguing I think. And I am just saying that we still should think about different ways after we have analyzed the current situation even if systems created by humans will be flawed like you say. Thanks for your comments by the way.
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Kullervonsota Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
People are always going to be evil and corrupt!

Just look at the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, and China.

Communism and Capitalism are just two sides of the same coin, they promise you the world, glory, and prosperity beyond you're wildest dreams and once they come into office, they spit on you're rights as a human being and on all of those who died in the name of the revolution.

You can't just sweep Fidel Castro or Augusto Pinochet under the rug and tell yourself, "We'll do better! I'm a true Communist/Capitalist!" you have to learn from history and stop braging.

Both ideologies have their pros and cons, but they both have blood on their hands.
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onure Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Why you don't start to make up your own mind instead of repeating the simple and old propaganda teachers, polticians and media tells us day by day? Maybe, you should read the text again carefully and you will notice that I am not talking about the Soviet Union and all the other states who claim to be communists, I don't care about single politicians like Castro or all those guys. I don't talk about history as well. My deviation deals with the current system which is ruling NOW and the relationship between critical minds and the system.
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